Talking Points #1: On Sun Ra, Skills and Celestial Jazz

November 22, 2024

Welcome to the very first episode of NYJO’s new podcast series: Talking Points. In this series, our Learning Programmes Manager Beth Ismay will be leading conversations with our young musicians, members and guest artists about the context and content of our current programmes.

Each episode will take as its starting point an individual whose legacy is being explored in a NYJO project, together with one of our Under 18s’ Living Values. These are the five values that members of our Under 18s Saturday programme jointly created to underpin their musical community: Respect, Creativity, Skills, Teamwork, and Courage.

The first episode will turn to the music of Sun Ra, which is currently being spotlighted in the programme NYJO & Cleveland Watkiss present: Sun Ra Reimagined, and the Living Value of Skills. Listen here to Beth’s conversation with two Emerging Professionals, trombone player Taylor and drummer Miles, and the Guest Artist on the project, vocalist Sunshine:

 

 

“Sun Ra hated the word ‘freedom’. He believed in discipline and precision; he worked everything out by using equations. People thought that they were playing freedom and it was scientific.” – Marshall Allen on Sun Ra

“A man cannot learn without discipline. All he needed was your time. [Sun Ra] would say: ‘You’ve got a nice sound when you play, but something is missing.’ The other part was spirit […] It wasn’t just playing the notes, but the way you played it. That was from the heart.” – Marshall Allen on Sun Ra

 

 

Thank you to Taylor, Miles and Sunshine for their insights. Stay tuned for the further four episodes of Talking Points coming out over the coming months!

Lucy-Anne (EP quote)

“Since joining NYJO, I’m so much more confident as a performer. Especially in terms of being able to entertain and keep the crowd engaged with you. It’s really nice to be able to feel that difference.” 

Lucy-Anne, NYJO Emerging Professional (Vocals)

Georgia (EP quote)

“It’s hard to just learn this music in the practice room but being immersed in the music at NYJO is a great environment to really push my playing. ” 

Georgia Ayew, NYJO Emerging Professional (Drums)

Sam Eastmond (MD quote)

"Giving them space to create whatever they wanted, without setting parameters of idiom or style helped them to conceptualise how they could bring these new concepts into their work without scaring them off, or mystifying the process."

Sam Eastmond, NYJO Educator

Jazzwise quote

"NYJO has never been conformist, never hewing to one particular line, never known for fawning replications and very deliberately these days a vehicle for new possibilities."

Jazzwise Magazine

Lydia (EP quote)

"The past year has been an absolutely incredible experience, pushing me way out of my comfort zone into playing with some of the greatest young jazz players of my generation and getting to call them my colleagues and friends has been beyond inspiring, and also an obscene amount of fun!"

Lydia Cochrane, NYJO Emerging Professional (Saxophone)

Anna (Learning national quote)

"[The NYJO residential in Cumbria] helped me to make friends with other young musicians. I enjoy playing a lot more and I’m quite proud of what I’ve accomplished. I feel more confident now. I have learnt different ways of coming up with solid melodies and also a little bit on harmonies. I think it’s been one of the best experiences I’ve ever had."

Anna, NYJO Learning Widening Access participant

Briony (Learning U18s quote)

"I’ve felt very fortunate to be surrounded by amazing musicians, and I think that the environment at NYJO – which has fostered creativity and improvisation – has allowed my confidence and musical ideas to grow."

Briony, NYJO Under 18s

Oscar (Learning U18s quote)

"I think I’ve progressed a lot in my piano-playing. NYJO has helped me to flourish and really enjoy it. I’ve really enjoyed being engrossed in a high level of playing and learning things in a hands-on-way. I also like the diversity of perspectives and abilities of all the players and teachers which enables me to try things I might not normally."

Oscar, NYJO Under 18s

Jennie (Learning U18s quote)

"NYJO has got me listening to more jazz and learning more changes. It has also helped with working as a band. I’ve really enjoyed the free jazz, learning by ear, the people, and the atmosphere."

Jennie, NYJO Under 18s

Leah-Anais (Learning U18s quote)

"I love the people at NYJO. Everyone here is so encouraging and lovely and it makes the experience worthwhile. Though I have fun I’m still learning on the way which makes me feel productive too."

Leah-Anais, NYJO Under 18s

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